tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-400514519057660990.post2015530229076099371..comments2023-10-19T17:34:21.067+01:00Comments on Jason Arnopp's Bloggery Pokery (RIP): Power Of Three: the dilemmaJason Arnopphttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07876042845400963850noreply@blogger.comBlogger26125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-400514519057660990.post-71218022041027201162007-07-19T17:13:00.000+01:002007-07-19T17:13:00.000+01:00Hopefully so, Lianne! As my Power Of Three process...Hopefully so, Lianne! As my Power Of Three process continues, I'll blog again about how it's going.<BR/><BR/>As I said, my plan is to basically get two sets of notes at the same time. One set, based purely on the first 10 pages. Then the rest on the whole thing.<BR/><BR/>It struck me that this is especially useful for my script, as it's the kind of story where the reader/viewer *hopefully* doesn't anticipate where it's going. We shall see...Jason Arnopphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07876042845400963850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-400514519057660990.post-2428884639495174582007-07-19T17:09:00.000+01:002007-07-19T17:09:00.000+01:00I don't see the point of only getting feedback on ...I don't see the point of only getting feedback on the first ten pages if you've actually written the whole script. Your readers can give you much more constructive feedback on the structure and content if they know how the whole story unfolds. And why make things unnecessarily complicated by asking your readers to provide two sets of notes? One set of notes, paying particular attention to the first ten pages. Simplicity itself. ;-)Liannehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12682537323993143410noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-400514519057660990.post-84689605585724113622007-07-18T22:22:00.000+01:002007-07-18T22:22:00.000+01:00Messrs Pillock and Stickler: that sounds like a pe...Messrs Pillock and Stickler: that sounds like a perfectly valid way of doing it. The only thing I'd be scared of, though, is being asked for the rest of the script, then hitting some unforseen barrier/problem which means it doesn't work so well. Or at all! Not a problem with decent outlining, of course...Jason Arnopphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07876042845400963850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-400514519057660990.post-44441119432003519162007-07-18T20:29:00.000+01:002007-07-18T20:29:00.000+01:00Is nobody developing a couple of ideas and looking...Is nobody developing a couple of ideas and looking at writing just the first ten pages initially? Then choosing which to submit.<BR/><BR/>By which I mean that that's what I'm planning.<BR/><BR/>My thoughts would be get notes on the first ten pages - you may need them to shape the rest of the script. Plus you don't want to spend the next few weeks taking your script in the wrong direction... or something.robhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07526513814843569586noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-400514519057660990.post-57914583458018911122007-07-18T19:17:00.000+01:002007-07-18T19:17:00.000+01:00Here's what I'm going to do: write and polish the ...Here's what I'm going to do: write and polish the first ten pages. Then when they ask for the rest script, I get to write it with the manic energy of having a deadline. Total brain mobilisation!Andy Phillipshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12462842599334822134noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-400514519057660990.post-39516484096786064382007-07-18T18:57:00.000+01:002007-07-18T18:57:00.000+01:00Ahem. Anyway, what were we talking about?Ah yes. T...Ahem. Anyway, what were we talking about?<BR/><BR/>Ah yes. The PO3 scenario.<BR/><BR/>Seems fairly clear that each writer should make their own decision, as to how to play it: partly depending on the length of their script.<BR/><BR/>Here's what I'm asking my PO3 folk to do...<BR/><BR/>1) Receive the 30-page script.<BR/>2) Read the first 10 pages. Make notes on 'em, including a prediction of how you think the story will go.<BR/>3) Read the rest. Make notes on 'em.<BR/><BR/>Ooh, what a taskmaster.Jason Arnopphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07876042845400963850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-400514519057660990.post-10052523869781502752007-07-18T17:23:00.000+01:002007-07-18T17:23:00.000+01:00And, uh, which weapon?And, uh, which weapon?Jason Arnopphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07876042845400963850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-400514519057660990.post-61466808293584446522007-07-18T17:21:00.000+01:002007-07-18T17:21:00.000+01:00Honestly, you're filthy.Honestly, you're <B>filthy</B>.Piershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04682054203119052550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-400514519057660990.post-51924778635847862002007-07-18T17:19:00.000+01:002007-07-18T17:19:00.000+01:00which head, Piers?which head, Piers?Lucy Vhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15576008511353143019noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-400514519057660990.post-23860483407154285822007-07-18T17:13:00.000+01:002007-07-18T17:13:00.000+01:00You mean that's not how everyone hacks into other ...You mean that's not how everyone hacks into other people's computers?<BR/><BR/>Of course, there's also the fact that John Travolta is holding his weapon to your head during the experience. <BR/><BR/>That's the really hard part.Piershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04682054203119052550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-400514519057660990.post-74671806599966076042007-07-18T15:59:00.000+01:002007-07-18T15:59:00.000+01:00I concur - with everything, but especially with Lu...I concur - with everything, but especially with Lucy that boys are gross.missreadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04407401743728045414noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-400514519057660990.post-86811175692328667322007-07-18T15:45:00.000+01:002007-07-18T15:45:00.000+01:00I see you've come to your own conclusion and, bles...I see you've come to your own conclusion and, bless you, I agree completely. Send out the whole thing and ask that particular attention be paid to the first 10pp.Leehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05686465069530291040noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-400514519057660990.post-86797187514278963972007-07-18T15:42:00.000+01:002007-07-18T15:42:00.000+01:00And for the phrase "simplicity itself", let alone ...And for the phrase "simplicity itself", let alone the subsequent mention of fellatio, Piers wins Arnopp's Comment Of The Week!<BR/><BR/>The prize is a punch up the bracket. Step forward, sir.Jason Arnopphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07876042845400963850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-400514519057660990.post-2063007867412835632007-07-18T14:58:00.000+01:002007-07-18T14:58:00.000+01:00Eeeugh. Boyz are gross.Eeeugh. Boyz are gross.Lucy Vhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15576008511353143019noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-400514519057660990.post-36586889649463292692007-07-18T14:45:00.000+01:002007-07-18T14:45:00.000+01:00Simplicity itself: I just had Halle Berry watch wh...Simplicity itself: I just had Halle Berry watch while another woman fellated me.Piershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04682054203119052550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-400514519057660990.post-59666802945414957582007-07-18T14:33:00.000+01:002007-07-18T14:33:00.000+01:00To quote one of Doctor Who's most chucklesome mome...To quote one of Doctor Who's most chucklesome moments, "I can't stand the confusion in my mind!".<BR/><BR/>Actually, I don't believe I'm confused any more. What I plan to do is this: find Power Of Threesters who are willing to read the first 10 pages and write notes on 'em, THEN read the rest and write overall notes. THEN make me a cheese sandwich and sweep the floor. I want the moon on a stick, me (actually, I don't. It would be weird and cumbersome).<BR/><BR/>And Piers: how did you get your mitts on my originally-planned template letter to prospective Power Of Threesters? Ya big hacker.Jason Arnopphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07876042845400963850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-400514519057660990.post-69230172795692092712007-07-18T13:40:00.000+01:002007-07-18T13:40:00.000+01:00I think they should only read the first 10 pages *...I think they should only read the first 10 pages *first* - that's what the compo wants, and you need feedback on whether they grab sufficiently to make you want to read the rest. Give the feedback on the first 10, *without* knowing what comes next. Then read the rest, if necessary. But those first 10 pages need to stand alone for the competition, you have to know how they work without knowing what happens - if you read the whole thing first, it colours your opinion of the first 10.<BR/><BR/>That's what I reckon, anyway, and I've got two writing hats and a special pencil case.James Moranhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11949906302217025023noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-400514519057660990.post-58506990257501682042007-07-18T13:39:00.000+01:002007-07-18T13:39:00.000+01:00"Dear Power of 3 Reader: Thanks for agreeing to he..."Dear Power of 3 Reader: Thanks for agreeing to help me out. Please can you pay extra attention to the first ten pages. Love Jason."Piershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04682054203119052550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-400514519057660990.post-89577271103852469532007-07-18T13:19:00.001+01:002007-07-18T13:19:00.001+01:00With yours, it's not such an issue, as it's only 3...With yours, it's not such an issue, as it's only 30 pages. I'd say either'd work for you... That's no help at all, is it? Happy to contribute towards any round of your POT, though. I'm also planning to Zoetrope mine.Olihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03302441388002744047noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-400514519057660990.post-65712277729025636662007-07-18T13:19:00.000+01:002007-07-18T13:19:00.000+01:00Maybe, but it's that first hurdle you need to get ...Maybe, but it's that first hurdle you need to get over and those first 10 that need the real attention - from small cheeses big wotsits grow and all that.Lucy Vhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15576008511353143019noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-400514519057660990.post-81080386092569295022007-07-18T12:50:00.000+01:002007-07-18T12:50:00.000+01:00I'm really starting to think that PO3 readers shou...I'm really starting to think that PO3 readers should ideally give us two critiques: one of the first 10 pages, then of the whole script. In my case, it's only 30 pages, so hardly an epic. I think you have to think positively, if you're confident enough in your script. As Piers says, if - or goddamn it, when - you make it to the second-round you'll have to PO3 your whole script again...<BR/><BR/>Luce, why would it be a waste of time for someone to PO3 your whole screenplay, if it didn't make the second round? You'd still have the lovely, polished script, right? Not like you're going to bin it if it doesn't make the second round...Jason Arnopphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07876042845400963850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-400514519057660990.post-88994663592701058792007-07-18T12:26:00.000+01:002007-07-18T12:26:00.000+01:00I agree. 10 pages is more than enoughI agree. 10 pages is more than enoughNear byhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15789416046678156902noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-400514519057660990.post-44334793011258169682007-07-18T12:16:00.001+01:002007-07-18T12:16:00.001+01:00I disagree. Because I like to cause a ruck and als...I disagree. Because I like to cause a ruck and also because I actually disagree.<BR/><BR/>Screenwriters underestimate their first ten pages MASSIVELY I think (speaking v generally, obviously).<BR/><BR/>9/10 of ten, it's the first ten pages that kill a script for a Reader. So many scripts start in weird places and don't state their intent - what genre is this? Who is the protag? etc etc. If a Reader reads on, they *might* find something interesting... But they don't, cos those first ten pages are a mess.<BR/><BR/>Those ten pages are an absolutely must in hooking the reader - if it shows the genre, protag, intent, then you don't need anything else. <BR/><BR/>PO3 peeps shouldn't let the rest of the script sway their opinions of those first ten; a Reader won't. Besides, so few of us will get through to the next round anyway it could very well be a big fat waste of time.Lucy Vhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15576008511353143019noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-400514519057660990.post-21557527893749760222007-07-18T12:16:00.000+01:002007-07-18T12:16:00.000+01:00I was planning on asking for people to read the wh...I was planning on asking for people to read the whole lot of it. Like Piers says, if I can get feedback on the whole piece I feel like I should! Similarly if people are only intending to have 10 pages done, then I would read them too. (!)missreadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04407401743728045414noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-400514519057660990.post-18133476736584493662007-07-18T11:48:00.000+01:002007-07-18T11:48:00.000+01:00Wise words. Perhaps the idea, then, should be to g...Wise words. <BR/><BR/>Perhaps the idea, then, should be to get PO3 people to read the whole shebang, while giving you a special note on how the first 10 pages work...Jason Arnopphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07876042845400963850noreply@blogger.com